Subject	I think everything I have said up to this point is
Posted by	Ash's Z on February 09, 2006 at 4:05 PM
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In Reply To	you really accept that as a valid explanation? posted by Spee on February 09, 2006 at 03:53 PM
Message	"the valid explanation", not just that one response to Seedy. If you want to argue with it, call Jim Wolf and bark up his tree - at this point I'm just relaying information and you are shooting the messenger. [ ashspecz.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast? If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. Albert Einstein
Follow Ups	Had an interesting 30-minute phone conversation with - Ash's Z 14:00:51 02/09/06 Thank you! (n/m) - NytWolf 14:10:29 02/09/06 but parts dont fail due to a bad tune or detonation right? - genic 14:14:38 02/09/06 As Jim put it, "Turbos are full of VooDoo". - Ash's Z 14:21:06 02/09/06 So basically the problem lies with the turbos, not the - Guapo 14:23:02 02/09/06 Correct, but when it is your car, you own both the turbos - Ash's Z 14:24:28 02/09/06 Correct, but when it is your car, you own both the tires - Kenny 14:43:48 02/09/06 *yawn* (n/m) - dpjax 14:55:53 02/09/06 so it's a crap shoot? (n/m) - Spee 14:23:03 02/09/06 If you win money when it doesn't smoke, then I guess so. - Ash's Z 14:25:19 02/09/06 I just have a hard time believing that turbos... - Spee 14:45:10 02/09/06 maybe u should believe what you "read off of the internet" - The Devils Z 17:13:20 02/09/06 um...right - Spee 17:22:17 02/09/06 who said anything about "discover" ? ..I'll be the first - The Devils Z 17:37:01 02/09/06 Evidently: - Dustin 14:33:29 02/09/06 So where should the gap be, and why dont they put it there? (n/m) - TomzxTT 14:36:33 02/09/06 It's free-floating - mattztt 14:55:17 02/09/06 guess i got the good voodoo - genic 14:55:54 02/09/06 One word, tolerances. Basic manufacturing. (n/m) - CaliguyPurdue 14:41:35 02/09/06 New math? (n/m) - Kenny 15:24:14 02/09/06 new math RUINED me - genic 15:29:30 02/09/06 No basic... - CaliguyPurdue 15:38:15 02/09/06 1=3? I agree that's basic, but not so correct. (n/m) - Kenny 15:55:29 02/09/06 I'm just about out of that stuff. (n/m) - Ash's Z 15:43:30 02/09/06 2nd. my return is under oil level, open exhaust, no smoke (n/m) - dogpile 17:35:38 02/09/06 is there any problem with turbos leaking oil? - BigTDogg (MA) 14:18:55 02/09/06 so how come my turbos don't smoke? - Spee 14:21:45 02/09/06 Re: so how come my turbos don't smoke? - Ash's Z 14:22:04 02/09/06 Re: It's a shame that you feel the need to "validate">> - racer2fst 14:27:10 02/09/06 Yes, you are entertaining. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 14:32:24 02/09/06 you explained this to me when my stock turbos started - ZEngineer 14:37:45 02/09/06 Condensation will have a similar effect. - Kenny 14:46:29 02/09/06 most likely oil - ZEngineer 14:51:34 02/09/06 Indeed. - Kenny 14:53:02 02/09/06 how old is your exhaust? - Spee 14:49:41 02/09/06 Re: 5 years old and when the turbos were removed - BADASSTT 14:53:30 02/09/06 Water is a byproduct of combustion, so thats possible. (n/m) - Kenny 14:55:26 02/09/06 the exhaust is pretty old - ZEngineer 14:58:21 02/09/06 have you dyno tuned your setup? (n/m) - EricTTZ 19:30:12 02/09/06 no, the car has been sleeping for the last 6 months - ZEngineer 08:28:42 02/10/06 Re:I cant believe I changed my turbochargers - BADASSTT 14:45:50 02/09/06 so basically your screwed either way? - blacktwin 14:51:34 02/09/06 Re: basically you are. - BADASSTT 14:56:49 02/09/06 no you wouldn't have, you simply would have delayed the - Spee 14:56:29 02/09/06 Varios combinations? - Jmartz 14:56:30 02/09/06 it depends on the current condition of the turbos. - Spee 15:00:26 02/09/06 Are you saying that - Jmartz 15:05:02 02/09/06 He's saying that it REVEALS worn turbos (n/m) - mattztt 15:07:52 02/09/06 the issue IS the worn turbos. - Spee 15:10:32 02/09/06 Worn or shoddy new turbos - SeedyROM 15:14:34 02/09/06 I would have to agree. My turbos "were fine" until I put - Waco300zx 15:12:56 02/09/06 Another data point - mattztt 15:02:15 02/09/06 ah, well i feel a little better about it now, my turbos have - blacktwin 15:12:37 02/09/06 So does this apply to new turbos? Or just old? - Waco300zx 15:10:15 02/09/06 all turbos - genic 15:16:19 02/09/06 It applies to turbos. (n/m) - Kenny 15:17:49 02/09/06 That's the "VooDoo" part of the whole issue. - Ash's Z 15:46:01 02/09/06 Understood. Either way, if I smoke or not, I'll be needing a - Waco300zx 15:50:52 02/09/06 The main reason there wont be a concensus on this is - Ash's Z 16:03:20 02/09/06 Indeed, too bad you can't see JWT is a part of that as well - SeedyROM 16:15:31 02/09/06 Oh wait, you did it already>>> - SeedyROM 16:24:31 02/09/06 So is that what this is all about? - Ash's Z 16:40:25 02/09/06 Asking questions you already know the answer to = avoidance - SeedyROM 16:45:58 02/09/06 Seedy, what you cannot see through your blinding rage - Ash's Z 17:32:34 02/09/06 Shrug, I was quite civil and calm. - SeedyROM 17:47:42 02/09/06 lol, blinding rage... (n/m) - Turbodog (CT) 22:28:02 02/09/06 Hah, yeah - maybe not the best choice of words. ;-) (n/m) - Ash's Z 23:47:32 02/09/06 CLIFFNOTES: It's the turbos, not the exhaust components. - SeedyROM 15:17:39 02/09/06 WRONG. It is the combination of the two. - Ash's Z 15:40:00 02/09/06 you really accept that as a valid explanation? - Spee 15:53:35 02/09/06 I think everything I have said up to this point is - Ash's Z 16:05:20 02/09/06 I'm not shooting anyone - Spee 16:17:50 02/09/06 Yeah, I did stir that pot - SeedyROM 16:21:43 02/09/06 truth (n/m) - Spee 17:01:00 02/09/06 lol ! Delivery boy - Russell@Z1 16:22:30 02/09/06 and I'm sure you never thought of how it might send customer - Waco300zx 16:30:20 02/09/06 Relax, I'm just kidding. I'm not even taking sides. - Russell@Z1 16:33:22 02/09/06 Anecdotal stories do not equal PROOF. - SeedyROM 16:05:58 02/09/06 You just dont seem to understand and I'm pretty much - Ash's Z 16:14:45 02/09/06 I understand big statements with zero proof - SeedyROM 16:19:43 02/09/06 Well, instead of me trying to prove it to you, how about - Ash's Z 16:26:03 02/09/06 Sure - SeedyROM 16:37:17 02/09/06 my car smoked for no reason when I gutted the - The Devils Z 17:26:44 02/09/06 You show your ignorance in your last line... - SeedyROM 18:00:20 02/09/06 those have been out on the market for a while. but im sure - Halo Z 20:03:05 02/09/06 This is kind of like a weird negative space universe. - Russell@Z1 16:07:17 02/09/06 Seriously (n/m) - SeedyROM 16:12:48 02/09/06 You are putting words in my mouth. I never said that JWT's - Ash's Z 16:35:48 02/09/06 No problem, it just came across a little different. - Russell@Z1 16:46:41 02/09/06 There seems to be a misunderstanding about what I'm saying. - Ash's Z 17:42:13 02/09/06 Sounds reasonable to me (n/m) - Russell@Z1 18:21:26 02/09/06 You still havent stoped picking Jim/Clarks brains have you? - Eishozzzz 15:20:36 02/09/06 The call to Jim wasn't because I wasn't sure - it was simply - Ash's Z 15:51:20 02/09/06 Right, Jim said the turbo seals were the problem. (n/m) - Kenny 15:57:57 02/09/06 Well, Yes/No. It is the combination of turbo design and - Ash's Z 16:10:44 02/09/06 you are an excellent salesman (n/m) - dogpile 17:34:04 02/09/06 I can't wait for the new vario-flow exhaust! (n/m) - Kenny 17:44:15 02/09/06 new? apexi's had it out for awhile - dogpile 18:06:03 02/09/06 as have others (n/m) - Halo Z 20:14:46 02/09/06 Dont expect it. I'd rather keep it to myself than deal with - Ash's Z 18:08:38 02/09/06 Total crap IMO - common sense and emperical evidence says >> - ztunerz 19:25:59 02/09/06 JWT says this only applies to OEM and JWT turbos due - The Devils Z 21:39:46 02/09/06 I think you are misunderstanding me a bit Harry.. - Ash's Z 23:46:34 02/09/06 cats serve to help with emmissions right... - pilotgod404 00:25:19 02/10/06 You might be on to something there, I can't belive - Turbodog (CT) 07:39:52 02/10/06 good - i wanted your opinion on it >> - ztunerz 08:57:03 02/10/06
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